Well, this looks interesting, and the effects look even better than Axanar's.
http://trekmovie.com/2014/10/16/watch-t ... mulan-war/
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1653This is a hoot: http://www.blastr.com/2010/06/image_of_ ... een_kn.php
How dull the world was before Photoshop!
How dull the world was before Photoshop!
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1654Another interesting editorial: http://trekmovie.com/2015/01/11/editori ... ry-stupid/
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1655Everyone knows the story behind TOS' most famous episode, "The City on the Edge of Forever." It was written by Harlan Ellison, one of SF's most regarded (if in part for his temper and litigious nature) writers, but rewritten by Roddenberry and/or his staff, because the Great Bird felt that certain elements of it did not fit into Star Trek. Ellison was not amused and sounded off about that. Roddenberry responded by saying off-hand things like Ellison had Scotty selling drugs on the bridge of the Enterprise.
Well, now we can find out for ourselves. Ellison's teleplay has just been published as a graphic novel...and the USPS has just placed my copy into my hands. I'll report back on this once I've read it....
Well, now we can find out for ourselves. Ellison's teleplay has just been published as a graphic novel...and the USPS has just placed my copy into my hands. I'll report back on this once I've read it....
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1656So, last night I read it. It only took about an hour. The first thing I'd like to say is that the basic story is the same. There are some obvious differences: it is a deranged drug-dealing crew member, not an accidentally deranged McCoy that goes back and changes history, the Enterprise doesn't vanish in the altered timeline but is crewed by pirates, etc. Certainly I will side with Roddenberry that having Starfleet crew members selling drugs is not compatible with R's vision of Star Trek.
The story was also talkier, even by Star Trek standards, than what was filmed. While the basic concepts are the same, not much dialog carried over. I think the visualization of the Guardians (yes, there are more than one, but only one portal) is cooler in the Ellison version. There is also one small but significantly different plot point at the climax of the story that I definitely understand why it was changed (for the better), although it robs Spock of the best line in the story. Speaking of Spock, he is much more of a nag in this story than he ever was in the filmed version...or elsewhere in Star Trek.
The artwork in the book is beautiful, and the writing and dialog are interesting. All in all, it made of an intriguing, sort of alternate universe look at Star Trek's most famous story.
The story was also talkier, even by Star Trek standards, than what was filmed. While the basic concepts are the same, not much dialog carried over. I think the visualization of the Guardians (yes, there are more than one, but only one portal) is cooler in the Ellison version. There is also one small but significantly different plot point at the climax of the story that I definitely understand why it was changed (for the better), although it robs Spock of the best line in the story. Speaking of Spock, he is much more of a nag in this story than he ever was in the filmed version...or elsewhere in Star Trek.
The artwork in the book is beautiful, and the writing and dialog are interesting. All in all, it made of an intriguing, sort of alternate universe look at Star Trek's most famous story.
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1657This has probably been posted here before, and if so, I'm very sorry I missed it because I think it is great: http://www.startrekcontinues.com/episodes.html
Just watched the first episode, and boy... did it ever take me back! It truly felt like I was watching TOS again. The story was very interesting, based around the Enterprise encountering Apollo once again, so pretty much a sequel to "Who Mourns For Adonais?" from the original run. They even got Michael Forest to reprise his role as Apollo, and there is a very logical e xp lanation for the character being older. Very well done story.
The sets looked great, the effects were on par with the newly remastered HD TOS episodes, and some of the actors were uncanny in their portrayal of the old cast. Scotty was great, and the guy that played Kirk in particular was spot on with Shatner's mannerisms and appearance, if not exactly the voice. The weakest for me would have to be Sulu. The guy was trying but he needs to brush up on his acting skills.
Looking forward to episode 2 and I gotta say it's great to be watching real Star Trek again.
Just watched the first episode, and boy... did it ever take me back! It truly felt like I was watching TOS again. The story was very interesting, based around the Enterprise encountering Apollo once again, so pretty much a sequel to "Who Mourns For Adonais?" from the original run. They even got Michael Forest to reprise his role as Apollo, and there is a very logical e xp lanation for the character being older. Very well done story.
The sets looked great, the effects were on par with the newly remastered HD TOS episodes, and some of the actors were uncanny in their portrayal of the old cast. Scotty was great, and the guy that played Kirk in particular was spot on with Shatner's mannerisms and appearance, if not exactly the voice. The weakest for me would have to be Sulu. The guy was trying but he needs to brush up on his acting skills.
Looking forward to episode 2 and I gotta say it's great to be watching real Star Trek again.
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1658Some of the Star Trek fan productions are very good. I always liked the ones that James Cauley did... I think it is called Phase II? I am very excited about that Axanar fan film. The promo they did for it was incredible.
Some of these people really understand the spirit of TOS, and some of them have the ability to put it on screen. That's a good combination. Just think of one of the good fan scripts...with an Abrams-sized budget to shoot it.
Some of these people really understand the spirit of TOS, and some of them have the ability to put it on screen. That's a good combination. Just think of one of the good fan scripts...with an Abrams-sized budget to shoot it.
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1659I moved the discussion about Leonard Nimoy's passing to its own thread; I felt it deserved a standalone thread.
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1660I'm posting this here instead of in the Nimoy RIP thread because I want that to be for serious remembrances of the man.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/viral/sp ... ?ocid=iehp
I'm assuming Val is marking up his 5s like mad now.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/viral/sp ... ?ocid=iehp
I'm assuming Val is marking up his 5s like mad now.
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1661Well, there you have it... probably for the best.
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/36811/ ... or-a-while
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/36811/ ... or-a-while
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1662Nichelle Nichols had a slight stroke today. Thank God, it doesn't sound like she's joining the ranks of Leonard and Grace any time soon.
http://trekmovie.com/2015/06/04/nichell ... rs-stroke/
http://trekmovie.com/2015/06/04/nichell ... rs-stroke/
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1663Her health and swift recovery will be in my mediations this week.
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1664I just saw the news about it and I am glad to hear that it was fairly mild.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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1665Sorry, I already shared this. I don't believe I did, but look what came in the mail not too long ago!
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1666Cool!
He's the only TNG main cast member I never got to see back when I was still going to conventions.
He's the only TNG main cast member I never got to see back when I was still going to conventions.
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1667I actually got it because the wife and I backed the Reading Rainbow Kickstarter last year.Olorin wrote:Cool!
He's the only TNG main cast member I never got to see back when I was still going to conventions.
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1669This is shaping up to be one of the best Star Trek movies ever... JJ Abrams needs to take some notes.
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1670JJ could care less about Star Trek these days; he's fully committed to the new Star Wars. Even when he was doing Trek, his concern for the material could be argued to be marginal at best.
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1671That is true.. I wonder how he plans on destroying Star Wars
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1672Actually, I think Star Wars is in very good hands. JJ, for whatever other faults he may have, I think will do this series justice and handle it with reverence as a true fan, something George Lucan had long lost sight of. When it comes to Trek, I never viewed JJ as a serious fan, or someone who had a good enough grasp or even respect for what makes Star Trek be Star Trek. He tried to turn it into Star Wars. Now he gets to do what he wanted all along, so power to him.
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1673I actually agree. thats why i used the little face. I think SW will be fine, now I could be wrong, but I hope not. I think another thing is, I am passionate about my fandom of Star Trek, I would label myself more of a casual fan of Star Wars, I am not as emotionally vested in it as I am with Trek.
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1674Ditto!BladeCollector wrote: I am passionate about my fandom of Star Trek, I would label myself more of a casual fan of Star Wars, I am not as emotionally vested in it as I am with Trek.
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1675Just finished DS9.
Sorry, but Bashir and Dax just don't work together. It should have been Bashir and the other GMP (Genetically Modified Person): Sarina.
Sorry, but Bashir and Dax just don't work together. It should have been Bashir and the other GMP (Genetically Modified Person): Sarina.
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1677If that's legitimate and not just an Internet hoax, it's pretty funny.
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1678I don't know if it's word for word, or if Jon Stewart actually made that reply, but I've heard those comments attributed as quotes from JJ from far too many sources to doubt their veracity. He was not a Star Trek fan and never has been. His movies were not made for Star Trek fans, and it shows.
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1679Oh, I know the Abrams part of it is relatively accurate. I was referring to the whole setup with the Stewart show, and whether he actually handed out that huge slam.
BTW, I don't have the URL handy, but there's a great 13 minute clip floating around of Stephen Colbert discussing Pluto and New Horizons with Neil deGrasse Tyson, and Colbert hands Tyson his a$$ several times. It's a riot!
BTW, I don't have the URL handy, but there's a great 13 minute clip floating around of Stephen Colbert discussing Pluto and New Horizons with Neil deGrasse Tyson, and Colbert hands Tyson his a$$ several times. It's a riot!
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1680I'm trying to find the clip that he says it... trying to skim the entire interview to find that little snippet.
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1681We have lost another person associated with Star Trek, in a small but memorable part: Worf's adoptive father Sergei Rozhenko, played by Theodor Bikel.
This man has a CV to be proud of:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/theat ... .html?_r=0
This man has a CV to be proud of:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/theat ... .html?_r=0
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1682I dont know if this has ever been mentioned, but a great ending to the next Star Trek movie, would be if Q showed up and erased the JJ-verse
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1685Good grief!
Such a beautiful and talented woman, and look what has become of her. I had no idea. Aside from the obvious mental health issues at work here, her change in physical appearance is shocking and drastic, and no doubt related to her problems. Wow... it really is heartbreaking to see your celebrity heroes at such a low point like this.
Such a beautiful and talented woman, and look what has become of her. I had no idea. Aside from the obvious mental health issues at work here, her change in physical appearance is shocking and drastic, and no doubt related to her problems. Wow... it really is heartbreaking to see your celebrity heroes at such a low point like this.
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1686That's pretty much what I thought too. I'd seen clips of her at a convention a few years ago and knew she'd put on weight. Of course, that doesn't automatically have anything to do with personality or issues, but when you see that she has sort of let herself go physically and is plunging off the deep end mentally, you feel one must have flowed from the other. This is so totally at odds with the sweet, kind Kes...much more the deranged, evil Kes that came back to the ship in a rage because in her dotage, she forgot that she'd chosen to leave the ship, and was instead thinking she'd been banished.
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1687I read this late last night. I was shocked. Obviously has some mental and/or substance related issues. Hopefully she gets the help she needs.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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1688Here is someone who's doing a virtual tour of the Enterprise D. This person has a lot of time on his hands. Anyway, it's worth a look for curiosity, especially since it goes where no one has gone before: a bathroom on the Enterprise. Also, who ever thought the Enterprise had stairways, let alone so many of them?
http://trekmovie.com/2015/09/22/the-ent ... erprise-d/
http://trekmovie.com/2015/09/22/the-ent ... erprise-d/
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1689That is pretty cool...someone with some talent and a bit of free time!
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1690http://www.newsarama.com/26597-report-n ... m-cbs.html
I will take this news with the proverbial grain of salt
I will take this news with the proverbial grain of salt
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1691http://trekmovie.com/2015/11/02/cbs-ann ... uary-2017/
So it's official. Abrams cohort Kurtzman producing, so I'm not too excited.
So it's official. Abrams cohort Kurtzman producing, so I'm not too excited.
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1692Hmmmm... well, I am not too excited that its only going to be on their streaming service, apparently
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1693Unsurprising news which pretty much drives the final nail through the coffin of the old Star Trek continuum.
Pass.
Pass.
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1694No, it's going to be broadcast also.
I'll give it a shot. I suffered through seven seasons of Voyager, after all. Anyway, they still haven't said which universe it will be in, only that it will be unrelated to the upcoming movie.
I'll give it a shot. I suffered through seven seasons of Voyager, after all. Anyway, they still haven't said which universe it will be in, only that it will be unrelated to the upcoming movie.
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1695I'll give it a shot. Hopefully its post Nemesis, Prime Universe
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1696I'd say with those guys involved that there's less than a snowflake's chance in hell that it will be set in the old universe. Don't hold your breath.
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1697You're probably right, but they would be dumb to set it in the alternate timeline universe. They claimed the reason why they created the alternate timeline universe in the first place was to avoid conflicting with canon of the original Star Trek, so they would be free to tell the stories they wanted to. If they set this new series in the movie timeline then they potentially conflict with the movies. But that doesn't mean they won't do it anyway, of course.
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1698The basic premise of their alternate universe and the underlying logic behind it was repeatedly violated in the second move, Into Darkness. I could ask if you honestly think if they care about screwing with their own canon but you already mentioned you have your own misgivings so I will say no more.
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1699I think they would claim they would care about screwing with it, but I think that they would either screw with it without realizing they were doing so, or try to downplay how they were screwing with it.
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1700The point, in my opinion, of the alternative timeline was so they could reboot/relaunch it without erasing Trek history. There are 200028920920239 issues I have with the new timeline and movies, such as basically the rehashing of old plotlines (which we've already discussed at length) but Benedict was so good in that role, that I just can't make myself hate it... they could have had him play a villain with any other name, why Khan??
My new issue with the new timeline, is the fact that Spock ended up there and with Nimoy's death, Spock's character, from the prime universe has died in that travesty of an alternate timeline.
My new issue with the new timeline, is the fact that Spock ended up there and with Nimoy's death, Spock's character, from the prime universe has died in that travesty of an alternate timeline.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.