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Andreas M.
12-04-2007, 10:34 AM
Sorry for the half year delay, but in summer I'm somehow not in "sword enthusiast mode" but more in "car enthusiast mode".
Last spring I bought the original elven warrior sword (made by WETA) from Kit Rae which was the model from which the United Cutlery version was designed.

It even came with a (unpainted) scabbard.

I'm extremely happy with it. Although its blade is aluminium you might know that in the case of the EWS this is actually the hero version! (There is also a steel version in the Movie Trilogie Exhibition, but that was only a prototype.)

The only small problems were that the golden paint was quite worn off and in the fuller was scratched a script with a drill that it's a replica for United Cutlery.

Being no stranger to the ancient art of sword modding ;), I finally decided to do something about it.

Now words like "blasphemy" may come to your mind and it was no easy decision for me to modify an original prop, but I didn't buy it as an investment or to put it in a shrine. I bought it for my pleasure and this would be enhanced if it looked more like an elven sword instead like an worn prop.
And by the way, multi-million-dollar paintings get restored, too!

This is what I did:
- golden parts painted with Rub'n'Buff
- where necessary - dark paint in grooves of the leaves restored
- whole handle protected with satin clear spray paint
- part of the fuller with the scratched in script polished with sand paper
- whole blade treated with metall polish for cleaning and to blend the polished fuller with the rest of the blade

- And I also painted the scabbard. I'm not an expert in aging, so the scabbard looks like fresh from the elven factory :). And in case you think the paint scheme is wrong: In the movies one can never see an EWS scabbard to recognise the colors. In the making ofs one can see at least 3 different paint schemes.

Andreas M.
12-04-2007, 10:35 AM
And a few more . . .

Valkrist
12-04-2007, 11:50 PM
Very nicely done on the paint job, both for the sword and the scabbard, as I can only assume the first set of pictures shows a before/after comparison, rather than the bottom pic being the actual UC retail version, correct?

Must say I'm jealous, because not only do you own what is likely one of the very few EWS scabbards in existence, but you also have a replica of that sword that most likely does not have the glaring flaws of UC's final retail version on that awfully seamed metallic handle. I recall reading that the handle on the EWS prop was made of polyurethane. Is this the version that you have? Kit mention that they had a horrible time trying to come up with a way to reproduce that handle. Their final solution left a lot to be desired because the two halves don't match up very well, but I guess they did the best they could. The aluminum blade is a bit of a downside versus the steel version, but I think owning one of the actual replicas used in the movie overcomes that quite easily.

Anyhow, congrats on your purchase and on very well done restoration job. :)

Andreas M.
12-05-2007, 04:37 AM
Thank you.
Yes, it's a before/after comparison. I don't have a UC version.
And yes, the handle is polyurethane.
An upside of the aluminium blade is, that it handles quite nicely. :)
I can't promise, that this one was actually used in the movies (I think Kit would have mentioned this, if he would have known it), but it was made from the same people in the same way.

Jash
12-06-2007, 02:36 PM
Wow...nice job Andreas!
And..congrats on obtaining a LOTR original piece!

From what i remember Mr. Rae saying, most of the swords obtained from WETA were either made just for United Cutlery, made the exact same way the other aluminium swords were made OR they were spares that they sold to UC. I believe he also said that the actual film used props did not contain the writings on the blade...

But it does handle well, eh? I also picked up a WETA sword from Mr. Rae...it was so light that i thought the box was empty when it arrived! And the paint work on the handle was unbelievable..it fooled a few ppl i showed it to..thinking it was actual metal and leather parts of the hilt! A true testement to the ppl at WETA!

Urambo Tauro
12-07-2007, 10:21 PM
Daring is the word that comes to mind, to do any kind of work beyond preservation on a piece like this. But, you've done a very professional-looking job! Your past sword modifications have been nothing short of meticulous and careful, and this is not an exception.

:thumbs_up Very well done, indeed!

Is aging the scabbard something you intend to do?
(BTW, the gallery's working now, if you're interested.)

...I also picked up a WETA sword from Mr. Rae...it was so light that i thought the box was empty when it arrived! And the paint work on the handle was unbelievable..it fooled a few ppl i showed it to..thinking it was actual metal and leather parts of the hilt! A true testement to the ppl at WETA!
Well now, Jash. Are you just going to leave us hanging like that? ;)

Andreas M.
12-10-2007, 05:48 AM
I'm relieved. No reproaches so far!

I think I won't try to age the scabbard, because I'm lacking the skill and equipment (airbrush?). And BTW, also every real elven scabbard was once new, wasn't it?

Another interesting thing: The designer of the EWS is once again Warren Mahy, which means, the 3 most beautiful LOTR swords (in my opinion) are all designed by the "orc specialist" Mahy:
- Hadhafang
- Elven Warrior Sword
- Eowyn's Sword

A big thank you goes to you, Urambo Tauro, because without you I wouldn't have got the EWS!
That is because my browser link for the forum always went directly to the UC LOTR section and I nearly forgot that there were other sections. But after reading one of your (as always interesting) posts I tried the forum function "Find all posts by ......." and so I found the offer of Kit in the marketplace section. At first I couldn't believe that there has really been a opportunity to acquire the real stuff :crazy: and already started to hit myself because initially I was sure that it would be an old thread and all items were long gone :|. But then I saw that by pure luck the thread was actually quite new, and then after exchanging emails with Kit I found that (maybe because of the worn golden paint) my favourite piece even was relatively affordable :thumbs_up.

Urambo Tauro
12-11-2007, 10:16 PM
Wow- I'm honored!
Thank you!

With the recent rumours in the air about UC getting back on their feet, I'm in hopes they will resume production on the UC1373. I don't think the High Elven Warrior Sword was meant to be such a limited ( <1000 units) piece. (Have you seen some of those outrageous prices? :O)

I've got to get my DVDs out sometime and write down who-designed-what. Howe, Falconer, Mahy; I'm probably forgetting one or two. Maybe if I have some extra time this weekend...

Jash
12-14-2007, 11:52 PM
I too need to watch the dvd's again...been far too long!

Andreas, don't worry about reproaches - after all, it is YOUR sword. And in my opinion, you improved on a product which seemed a bit too worn out anyways, so no harm done at all! LoL, glad to see you managed to obtain that piece, seemed like a close call!

And i'm sorry Urambo Tauro, i actually can't believe i forgot to mention which sword i picked up...gotta love exam time, eh? Well without any further delay, i was very very very fortunate to be able to pick up not only one of my favourite swords from the movie, but also a piece which did not even make it into production. And for all my fellow collectors, please don't hate me for buying this piece........Guthwine.

BTW Andreas, any further plans for u're sword?

Andreas M.
12-17-2007, 04:54 AM
... I don't think the High Elven Warrior Sword was meant to be such a limited ( <1000 units) piece. (Have you seen some of those outrageous prices? )
Oh yes. About 1000 $ was the common price in the end, right?

Considering that the limitation of my EWS is maybe 20 or 30 (If you count only the legally obtainable ones, probably 1 ) and I even got a scabbard, that makes it a bargain, really.:crazy:


.... i was very very very fortunate to be able to pick up not only one of my favourite swords from the movie, but also a piece which did not even make it into production. And for all my fellow collectors, please don't hate me for buying this piece........Guthwine.
Congratulation! And no hate at all ...... as long as you post some pictures, that is.;)


BTW Andreas, any further plans for u're sword?
I'm planning to make the mounting (is that the right word? I mean belt and straps ...) for the scabbard. So that I could wear it with a costume (Lothlorien archer without bow and arrows:)) at the next RingCon (big LOTR convention in Germany).


BTW: One of the guests at the RingCon last october was Daniel Falconer. Although obviously everyone says that, I'm sure he really liked it and maybe come back again. He was welcomed like a film star and all his panels were full. He is really a nice guy, as you know him from the making ofs. Well and he's also quite popular among the ladies, you know (and more than 50 % of RingCon visitors are women).

Daniel also told a funny story about the designing of the EWS. (I may have heard the story before, but I didn't fully understand it that first time.)
It started with a slim katana-like sword in the style of Hadhafang or Haldir's sword, with a blunt part of the blade which was actually meant to be used as a hilt extension. They made a prototype and then Peter wanted to see the fighting style with usage of the extented hilt. For safety reasons they padded the blade up with foam rubber and wrapped the blunt part of the blade so that it looked like part of the hilt in the end.
And then Peter liked the look of the now thick and wide blade and the long handle so much, that he told the designers to continue with that. And Daniel and Warren were at first quite reluctant to that idea, they moaned: "Oh no, we want our slim katana-like sword back!" :|

Jash
12-25-2007, 08:15 PM
Wait a sec..more than 50% of RingCon visitors are women?? Looks like i need to make another trip to Germany very, very soon! lol

And i promise, i'll try to put up some pics of my sword by next week (before school starts again in Jan).

I had a question though, Andreas - your scabbard, is it functional? I mean, the one i received was just a piece of polyurethane material....with no opening at all for the sword.
But either way - sounds like a really neat idea...would u make the entire costume as well??

Andreas M.
01-02-2008, 06:10 AM
... I had a question though, Andreas - your scabbard, is it functional? I mean, the one i received was just a piece of polyurethane material....with no opening at all for the sword.
That was quite funny. The first description from Kit stated that the EWS scabbard was solid/non-functional. So after I got it I saw the hole in it but thought that it wouldn't go very deep and was just there to look real. It actually took some days till I had the idea to test the depth. As you can imagine it was a very very pleasant surprise to find out that the blade fits in perfectly (as you can see in picture 7).

...would u make the entire costume as well??
That's the plan. The only problem: I had this plan already for the last RingCon :)(and nothing happened).

Rough666
01-17-2008, 02:08 PM
Well without any further delay, i was very very very fortunate to be able to pick up not only one of my favourite swords from the movie, but also a piece which did not even make it into production. And for all my fellow collectors, please don't hate me for buying this piece........Guthwine


Sweet! Congrats on your great score Andreas! Nice pics, and what a great job you did with the restoration. That's quite the addition to your collection.

And Jash, I'm jealous of your Guthwine! Can you post some pics of it, please? Was this from WETA, as well?

Jash
01-22-2008, 02:16 PM
Yes Rough666, my piece, like Andreas's Elven Sword was from the same batch: "Made by WETA and bought by United Cutlery".

Sorry guys, my camera is currently being borrowed by a friend...but as soon as i get it back - i'll take some pics! :)

chaosbear
01-26-2008, 02:34 PM
Daniel also told a funny story about the designing of the EWS. (I may have heard the story before, but I didn't fully understand it that first time.)
It started with a slim katana-like sword in the style of Hadhafang or Haldir's sword, with a blunt part of the blade which was actually meant to be used as a hilt extension. They made a prototype and then Peter wanted to see the fighting style with usage of the extented hilt. For safety reasons they padded the blade up with foam rubber and wrapped the blunt part of the blade so that it looked like part of the hilt in the end.
And then Peter liked the look of the now thick and wide blade and the long handle so much, that he told the designers to continue with that. And Daniel and Warren were at first quite reluctant to that idea, they moaned: "Oh no, we want our slim katana-like sword back!" :|

The story I heard was that the design was based after seeing this :-

http://www.raven-armoury.co.uk/splitscab.htm

(I've handled one and it was one of those "can't put down" blades)

Jash
02-05-2008, 01:50 PM
Sorry for the delay...
Got my camera back and took a few (well, 8, lol) pics. Hope they turned out alright.

http://www.ucforums.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=1445

Andreas:
The mouth of my scabbard has a slight hole in it (hopefully it's visible in the one end pic i took), but...i'm just too scared to try to pry it open..lol.
Maybe in the future!

Andreas M.
02-08-2008, 08:55 AM
Thank you,

looks very nice. :thumbs_up

I'm wondering: It looks as if the 2 fullers are becoming 1 fuller towards the tip, but I can't see how the transition works. The fullers look like an Escher-painting to my eyes. :crazy:

Rough666
02-08-2008, 03:47 PM
Thanks for the pics, Jash! Very nice!